David Spade helps Phoenix PD buy AR-15s
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/...le_david_spade

LOS ANGELES – The Phoenix Police Department has gotten some high-powered goodies courtesy of actor David Spade.

The one-time Phoenix resident donated $100,000 so that the department can buy approximately 50 AR-15 rifles.

Spade said he wanted to make the donation after seeing a TV news report about Phoenix officers having to buy their own rifles.
Spade grew up in the Phoenix area and graduated from Arizona State University.

Phoenix Police Sgt. Alan Hill says the rifles will be given to patrol officers and that the agency was grateful for the gifts.

"These guys need to be able to do their jobs and I am just happy I could help," Spade said in a statement released by his publicist.

I wonder what brand for $2000 each?

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Don't think I'll be watching any of his movies anytime soon.

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I just heard on the news they were going to purchase 300 AR-15's.
They obviously have more money to spend than the $100,000.

What in the Hell are they going to do with 300 AR-15's???
Is every patrol man going to have a sidearm, a shotgun and a AR-15??

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Yes, because in real life, every officer NEEDS to have a pistol, shotgun, and AR15. The AR15's are needed for active shooters in schools. When you get an active shooter in a school, you can't always rely on the officers that happen to have AR15's, you need the ones that you got to be ready to go in that school and get that bastard! All it takes is 3-4 officers and it is a quickly set up thing to go in, and the lead officer needs that AR15. You don't have time to wait on SWAT and all that, you have little time.

I'm sorry but I am all for the cops having more weapons. Don't let the bad ones ruin it for the good ones that want to do the job! There are far more good cops out there than bad, and sometimes people let that one bad apple ruin their outlook on the good ones. It's the same reason that some people want to ban "assault" weapons, because one bad apple makes the rest of us "good" law abiding citizens look bad.

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You do know you are openly supporting a police state right?

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Yes and as for the 'Police State' comment above from Doge, I'd rather have an effective Police force versus Anarchy..........sheesh ~ wake up to reality.

Exactly, and many here support this statement. :applause_

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Oh you're going to have your "effective" police force very soon here with their APCs armed with .50 machine guns, full body armor, and full auto assult rifles patrolling the streets. All paid for with your hard earned tax dollar. The description I just gave sounds more like an army than a police force (which is their goal). Some how I don't think there will be total anarchy in the streets if police are not armed with AR-15s and military style equipment. Allow the people to have the guns rights we were ment to have and crime with go down drastically. But it's not in the best interests of police forces for crime to go down. I'm always amazed at how many people, even here, do not see the big picture. I don't think I'm the one who needs to be waking up to reality.

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Now that is something I'm really against and fearful of. :36_1_30:

Ok now, let's be fair.

Citizens can purchase AR-15's (at least for now) - then - why cannot police officers have an AR-15 ???

Or do you prefer a one-way street on this ?

:confused_m:

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I think that cops should be allowed to have the same as citizens, and citizens should be allowed the same as the cops.

I am also against this police state that is rising up as we speak.

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http://s-seriesforum.com/forum/images/smilies/fruit.gif
The Sky is falling, the Sky is falling.....

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:111::4_1_72::biggrin:

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That's not the sky. That's the bottom of a boot. It just looks like the sky when it's a millimeter away from your face. Easy mistake to make.

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A "police state" is a far cry from a properly equipped police force.

Often there is an 'American Justice' program that runs on A & E. It deals with the BOA botched robbery in N. Hollywood by a guy named Phillips and his russian buddy.

These guys had some serious armament and were wearing full body armor. They were also violent and had no regard for anyone, No regard whatsoever.

Now, here you are...young cop on a beautiful sunny day. You respond to a BOA shots fired call and roll. You arrive to see one of the guys blowing away everything in sight with his full auto AK. At that point, your Glock and Wingmaster are just about worthless. All you can do is conceal yourself and decide that if the guys are getting busy (murdering civilians), you are going to have to charge (rush)them (with shotgun blazing) and probably die in the process. Not a very jolly picture.

The hero of the day was the gun shop owner up the block who had many AK's (no full auto) and many CAR-15s. He armed many, many Officers that day and SAVED lives. At that particular time on that particular day, that gun shop owner was an ANGEL.

David Spade just reached a high respect level today.

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It's sad that our police force has to come to where they need these guns, but the truth is, they do. They are outgunned now as it is. I'm all for allowing citizens to legally have as many guns as they wish, and am all for legal carrying of them. I agree that a legal carry state has a lot of it's crime dissapear. But, when there is some crazy nutcase opening fire in my childs school, I want the first officers that arrive on the scene to have all the firepower they need, not a lonely glock. Give them a good rifle and good scopes and good equipment, who is this hurting? When is the last time you heard of a cop doing bad with an AR15? I'm sure some smartass will do a search and find one to prove me wrong, but I bet I can get two searches where an armed active shooter is taken down with a rifle for every one someone returns of a cop doing bad with it.

And, for the ones that say it is coming out of OUR pockets, that isn't always the case. My local department(Louisville Metro Police, 1200+ officers) doesn't supply their guns, the officers have to purchase them themselves. Hell, they even have to buy their own Glocks! Most buy their own shotguns and AR's so they can better survive if and WHEN the SHTF!

But, as it is clear here, there will ALWAYS be people that hate the police, no matter what. Cop could save your kid from an armed intruder and they will find something to nitpick about. Wake up.

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This seems like a very reasonable point of view on the matter

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Might want to rethink that...

You are basically saying that two guys who robbed a BOA had no regard for anyone?

I want you to think about that for just a sec.

As far as I'm concerned they were pretty damn nervy but utter failures when it came to tactics.

They should have flanked the cops cars and wiped them out at close range instead of just standing there spraying. They had no strategy other than stand there and spray bullets.

The only reason civilians had to be endangered is because of the widely held belief that protecting a worthless banks money is more important than the lives of civilians.

They could have just let them drive off, what they were there for was pocket change.

Probably more money in damage than they took for Crissakes.

Fast forward today, is the bank's money still worth the life of a civilian or an officer for that matter?

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They had absolutely ZERO thoughts for anyone besides themselves. Men, women and children going about their business on a beautiful day are encountered by two homicidal idiots with multiple weapons, ammo for 'days' and full body armor. Sounds like two individuals totally immersed in their "own" selves and not those of others.

And Thank God for that. When they came to the realization that their grandiose scheme of wealth and terror was nothing but a shyt-pot, they started their dance of death. Strutting, reloading, shooting, reloading, strutting, blah blah.

Agreed about the pocket change...but letting them drive off? Huh? Where to, the local elementary school, the shopping mall, the assisted living center at the other end of the block? No. Standard Police procedures dictate that these folks; once they start their rampages, aint going nowhere. No airplane to Cuba, no bus to Vegas, no nothing. They'll either comply THERE, or Die there.

Agreed. Damage was incredible, as were injuries. These punks had careless disregard for the lives of others. What if YOU or your wife or 12 year old niece was encountered by these effing thugs? You'd want them twisting in the breeze, I'm sure.

A human life always trumps 'money'. They started the war, not the Police, or the bank employees or the persons on the street.

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I missed this line. The initial roll was 6 Units which quickly multiplied to 12 then 20 then 40 as the 'Shots fired, Officer Needs Help, Officer Down, 11-99, 11-99'...came over the radio. These thugs couldn't surround or flank the units as they were (thankfully) too many and too spread out.

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That's why standard police procedures are stupid, they get alot of people killed.

Nah, you have to understand the mindset of the highline burglar. They are like business people. The mindset is "I'm not going to jail.", they know exactly how much time they will get if caught and they decide they are not going in alive and that was obvious by the equipment they had. This type of heist is always premeditated, they don't give two sh*ts about bothering with your wife and kids.

The reason they started shooting sprung from that mindset, you'll notice the one committed suicide, the other was severley wounded before he quit. They didn't plan to quit, they were following a plan that got interrupted by the cops.

Your wife or kids had nothing to do with what they were doing until the cops started a shootout.

How many people did they kill inside the bank? They were there for the money plain and simple.

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Yeah but they were mostly desk jockeys armed with 9mms that they probably didn't have more than 2 clips. Mostly just hid behind their cars and wimpered calling for help.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Inside the bank, Phillips and Matasareanu forced the assistant manager to open the vault. They fired at least 100 rounds to scare the approximately 30 bank staff and customers[2] inside the bank to discourage resistance.[15] They were only able to get $303,305, instead of the expected $750,000 because the bank had altered the delivery schedule.[11]
At 9:38 A.M. Phillips exited the bank through its north doorway and Matasareanu through its south doorway. Both encountered dozens of LAPD patrol officers who had arrived after the first-responding officers radioed a "shots fired" call.

Wimps for sure... http://www.lapdonline.org/inside_the...sic_view/27320

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Took dozens of them to take down two guys, I'll say.

Most cops ain't much without the badge and the radio.

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ponder this.....cops see them enter bank. call go's out asap....cops take on full auto fire how long???? a bright idea commindeer gun shops stock....."question" when was s.w.a.t. called in ? aint them them guys with speical weapons....tatics....patrol cops get ar 15's etc as result....hummm? :thinkey:

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Or one armed teacher.

Remember- When seconds count, police are just minutes away.

Hell, you could have stopped your statement at that point.

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No, he was a criminal.

If I recall correctly, he did not have the police fill out the required federal forms for each gun they took. I believe at the time there was a waiting period of several days before the police should have been able to actually take possession of their new guns.

The owner broke several federal and Californian gun laws. But I guess it's okay when the police do it, right?

All sarcasm aside, yes the gun shop owner really was a hero. But few realize that by giving the police the weapons he had in stock, he was quite literally risking his business, his own freedom, and his life. He's very lucky some state or federal prosecutor didn't feel like getting their names in the news by prosecuting the owner even if he was helping the police in an emergency.

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Spade made a big mistake. That money should have gone to our numerous impoverished kids here in AZ anonymously like my wife and I do. We drove to to the high country from Payson which is not that far from our bugout home. Many more drove from Phoenix three hours to take their kids sledding in the snow. When we got up there (20minutes for us) there were cops all around ticketing people on this 20 year old sledding slope for parking on the side of the road. I asked the cop WTF was going on, he said due to budget cut backs they could not afford to plow the parking area. Instead he and another deputy stayed there for 5 hours each on overtime pay to bust children and their parents coming to play in the snow. I called him out and realized I was going to be tazed or cuffed in moments. So all these bad ass kids and their parents were forced off the mountain. Fuc them, Spade just made things worse that stupid prick. If you want to hand out AR15's give me one. I'll put it to good use if and when the time comes. Spade is off my list too. POS. These cops are stupid pricks. He was afraid of me. I should have organized all the parents and said 'NO' Like in Tombstone where Wyatt says "no, I'm not going to let you arrest us today" I'm gettin close, my wife had to back me off....

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I think it's good that a actor did something that was out of the normal liberal play book. I am not sure what all of the anti cop stuff is all about. Yes I have gotten a ticket in the past (or four) and all but one experience was okay. Even the one guy that was a butthead really did not do anything that bad.

From my experience most cops (in the midwest) are very much pro gun including private ownership like us and NRA members. The bottom line is that police are necessary in an orderly country where the rule of law keeps things together. It seems some of us on this forum are basically advocating anarchy. If that's what you want maybe you should take a vacation to Somalia and see if that is really what you want.

Go ahead and flame me, it's just my opinion. A working class stiff who has had his fair share of tickets.:confused_m:

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The cops don't need donations, our tax dollars pay for everything. If they needed Ar-15's they would have them already. **** David Spade.

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wonder if the spade owns any firearms?

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But what about "the children".
There is nothing we can do about people going over the edge except protecting ourselves. How many of the very small number of people that snapped and went on a shooting spree did the cops stop?

Give the cops tanks and missle launchers and it won't make a difference.

I get so sick of the media blitz when someone snaps. It should read" Man snaps today and shoots one person before being shot numerous times by onlookers." We have lost the idea of self protection.

They have some of you people really believing that cops with ar's and tanks will make your children safer, what a joke.
They will show up, run around with their swat gear, wait till the shooter offs himself and then go in an start writng reports.

I think the odds are really slim that your family will be involved in such and incident but they have you convinced that it happens everyday and your in mortal danger.

Problem,reaction,solution.

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Don't forget that those officers that will now be issued those shiny new ARs will have to get the appropriate training to use said rifles, and they will further have to maintain their skills by practicing regularly. I'll bet a GAE that most of those officers will not get the appropriate training because there is no budget for it, or they are simply too lazy. They will just stick that AR in the rack in their cruiser and won't ever touch it until they actually have to. And if an active shooter type of scenario broke out at my kids' school (God forbid), I'd much rather have SWAT team there that knows how to use their stuff than some Sargent Doughnut who can hardly hit a target at 15 yards during the semi-annual quals.

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I don't have to worry about my neighbour arresting me and throwing me in jail for whatever reason they make up. I do with the police. The police in this country have had a dangerous status of hero worship since 9/11. Cops in America have become the political militant wing of our government ready to enforce the unconstitutional laws of the U.S. federal government.

I side with the American public while you side with the government and militant police.

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Its all about that MEAN GREEN baby.